Aput And Me And Sharia Makes Three

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I sometimes forget how lucky we are to have been born and raised in freedoms unknown to many others around the world. I think that is a good enough reason to want to protect this country with everything necessary to remain free. Ted, you are one of the good guys.

I know.

(Hat tip to Tom Selleck on an episode of Friends)

Madmouser, If you knew Ted better I wonder if you would still say that...

The part before you said something nice about Ted, to that I agree 99.9875%

Yeah, and think about this too, Maddy... HV is my best online friend.
What is that old saying? With friends like this, who needs enemies?
Although, I have called my best friend names like 'goof' and "wacko" all in fun and laughter, so nothing serious. She in turn has called me a few names like 'having a blond moment"? OMG, are you going to wear that? Are you crazy? so, I understand you and HV. All in fun, right?

I think it's more like "With friends like this, who needs enemas?"

But yes, it''s all in fun, at least for one of us.

But I have to take it because he's my hero.

And I'm the wind beneath his wings...

You see, Maddy, I have no shame.

wind beneath his wings" ?!?!?!?!?!?

I'm just glad I was not eating or dirinking anything, I would have had a hell of a time cleaning the keyboard.

mouser, Ted and I have been trading barbs for neigh on 5 years now, back in the fall we laid to rest another forum, I've had Ted West wit withdrawal syndrome since then. So I googled his nic, and found this blog. Now I could have just emailed him and asked what kind of trouble he was causing, but I think he liked the surprise.

Urm...okay then...

I do admit that we have more than just one Fred Phelps in the Muslim community in Malaysia, hahaha!

But in the case of Lina Joy, it was most of all her own fault. Yes, the rule of the land does ask you to state your religion on your ID card, because as you well know, liquor is haram in Islam, and selling it is to a Muslim is an offense in this country.

Not that it stops you from going into a bar and ordering a screwdriver.

Not that I would know...*cough*

In Lina Joy's case, she decided that instead of applying to become an apostate through the Sharia courts (religious courts), she simply wants her religion stripped from her ID by the National Registration Department (NRD). Their protocol states that she needs a certificate declaring that she is an apostate to allow that to take place.

She doesn't want to apply for one, and so she takes the NRD to court. And she lost, and she appealed, and she lost again. Not on the basis of religion, but simply on the basis that she was stubborn enough not to follow the law.

I agree with the freedom of religion, and as a person who's been a Malaysian for 42 years, spending 16 years as a Christian, Lina should have known what she had to do to make her apostasy formal and thus allowing her to marry her lover.

Personally, I would have told her to get out of the country, convert and just apply for citizenship after 5 years (is it 5 years in the USA? A fact I may need to know later).

As for the whole crowd cheering the decision and jeering her, well....they do it at courts, I heard the Phelps' do it at graveyards?

Never mind those insane religious wackos. As for Malik Imtiaz Sarwar, interesting how his blog has no reaction to this. The guy is a liberal Muslim, so hearing you state him as leading that procession is something I doubt...

I'm speechless.......... and I regret you weren't.

I didn't paint anyone as leading any procession. I didn't even know there was one...

Unless you're referring to the 80 groups who are opposed to Joy?

Sorry, misread about Malik. I may have gone overboard there.

The poor guy did receive death threats, but there were some reports that stated he also joined in attacking Lina, which was false.

As for old communist states..yeah, pretty much so. Basically everything is in the hands of the government. However, note that it is in the constitution that the Malays and other indigenous races here are granted special privileges, which cannot be questioned under threat of imprisonment.

Nice, huh?

It's a crazy country politically. How long does one have to stay in America to be a PR?

Aput, you'd be better off in Turkey, Tunisia or Morocco.

A-man,

I can't help you with current immigration law. I simply don't know what's what anymore. Or if the law matters at all. But I do know that you are a good example of the problem. Someone like yourself should get greater consideration than some run-of-the-mill Muslim - or Mexican, for that matter, but you don't.

You could probably just come here, get a phony I.D., and live happily ever after.

But I want to address something else.

First I did you a disservice on your blog, and now I may have done you wrong here. I feel I should never have included your name in the title. I thought it was provocative, but I didn't expect you'd reply. I should have known better.

I know we feel emboldened on the Net, but I have nothing to fear, and in fact, I go out of my way to confront those I consider to be idiots.

Never for a second did I think that of you, and so I want to give you some unsolicited advice: you're never compelled to respond, and you never have to answer the questions asked.

I'm saying that to you because I know you're young and you think you're invincible, and you want to be the voice of reason and make a difference. But you probably can't, and you could find yourself with a far bigger problem than Ms. Joy,

And then all we tough guys could do is write about your unfortunate circumstances and rant about how terrible it is as we sip or coffee and eat our croissants.

So while I doubt this thread would cause you any difficulty, I want you to be certain of what you want to say before you post. I write a lot of things that never see the light of day here, so can you imagine what I say that I feel is not fit to print?

And if you want anything deleted, let me know, both now and in the future. I certainly don't want to censor you, but I even more don't want to be a vehicle for your demise.

Well, if the government ever decides to put me into a cell, interrogate me and stuff me into solitary confinement, it would definitely not be about my blog entries, nor my answers here on the Web.

Most probably they would be responding to actions in print. Our web attributes are monitored (especially since I know I have a file open in the Malaysian Police's Special Branch), but so far, I've yet to trigger anything that may lead to my untimely demise.

Other than unhealthy eating habits, of course. Still working on that one.
I thought Turkey just axed their a liberal politician from becoming PM...
Who cares... its an easy country to live in, and Istanbul rocks. Neither Morocco or Istanbul have "liberal" governments, but you can still live liberally. Istanbul also has a decent economy. You might find work. Then again you could probably have all of that where you live now huh?

Anyway, my point is, you'll probably find more freedom for yourself as a muslim in a socially liberal muslim country. I have yet to meet a muslim in the states that doesn't feel like an outsider here. A really good egyptian friend of mine left.
Yeah, it is a bit crazy in Turkey, especially since most of them believe in the fatwa that drinking liquor is acceptable.....

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