Our New Zen X-Fi MP3 Player, Am I Missing Something?

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I think that I would end up destroying it through an accident before the battery's useful life expired. Your article is well thought out and exposes the limitations of tech products.

Zak,

It all started in music stores long ago. twenty-five years ago, I went to one to buy some drumsticks, and I found that if you didn't know what you were doing pr what you wanted, you were a nobody to these arrogant bastards. I told my friend about the experience, and sure enough, he went to another store to buy something a year or so later, and he experienced the same thing.

That's probably still the way it is today, but tech stores have overshadowed them. You're expected to know everything about what you want, and if you don't, just try to get someone to explain it. Sometimes though, I just play dumb because it's fun to frustrate these jerks.

Also, a year ago, my friends was opening a site to sell patriotic charms, and I said that I could design the site, but that I had no experience with shopping carts and everything you needed to do to actually process the sale. So they hired someone, actually several someones since they were taken by the first one, and when it was finally ready to go, they asked me to check it. It took forever to load, and so I checked to see if they'd optimized their graphics. They hadn't.

I offered to do it for them, but one of them didn't want to be bothered, he just wanted to "get it up and running." I told him that about forty percent of us still had dialup, and I asked him why he wanted to shut out that much of his market, because when I go to a slow-loading site, I don't go back unless I have no choice. And in his case, he had big graphics that, when reduced, cut the page size about 90%.

When they asked their site designer why he didn't reduce the graphics himself, he told them that he was going to ask if they wanted that, but that at that time, it was just important to get the site up. Hint: no, he wasn't going to ask.

Sites must load in a few seconds with a dial up modem- this was the first thing I learned- DUH!
I honestly don't understand your issue with the battery. Who cares? You think they would make replacement batteries for that device forever? Not a chance. The battery should last as long as the device.

And why didn't you look into an iPod? There's a reason why Apple has sold over 100 million iPods and is the number one music retailer in the US - selling over 5 billion songs.

Well...um... of course I think they'd make the battery forever. I mean, how long have "D" and "9v" batteries been around? More than fifty years, that's how long. But in truth, "forever" was an exaggeration... until I die would have been better, I admit.

But then I don't understand people who don't expect things to last. I think that's why we are where we are, maybe? I won't spend ten cents without getting proper value for it, so I'd never spend $250. for something that I expected to fail in...

Wait, maybe we are onto something. Tech guy said a year or two, but you said, "The battery should last as long as the device." But you didn't say how long you expected your devices to last, nor did you say whether "should" meant "likely to" or merely "ought to," as in "it should last, but who really know?"

See, I gauge everything on "cost/year." So as I started to say, if I'd spend a quarter of a grand to play music for a year, then I'd be insane, wouldn't you say, especially when I don't have to be listening to anything?

This reminds me of a former friend who was in his early thirties and still living in an apartment, and he was complaining one day about money being tight and how he didn't get the raise he expected, so he was going to have to cut out Starbuck's. I asked innocently, "You live in an apartment and you go to Starbuck's?" For some reason he got all irritated, but see, I'm a lot older than he is, and I've never been in a Sta buck's, and he could spend weeks and not convince me that I'm missing anything, because I bet my wife's spaghetti is way better than theirs!?

If a device like that had a replaceable battery it wouldn't be a standard size battery. It would be a custom one for that device, which they would eventually stop making, which would also not be an issue because the device would probably be collecting dust on your shelf or buried in a junk drawer because you don't use it anymore.

The bigger issue, IMO, is that the device appears to be frustrating to use, and as far as content goes, you cannot beat the iTunes store that the iPod works with.

Return that thing and pickup an iPod Touch. You'll get the best possible software and content for it, and it won't be frustrating to use.

And the battery... should be a non-issue. It should last as long as you are willing to use the device.


Um, I surprised none of your fellow Voxers had mentioned this, but the IPod charges when you plug it up to your computer. If your MP3 player "works like an IPod" in that regard, the tech must have meant that you don't replace the battery--it doesn't have them--you charge it by plugging it into your computer (or docking station) like the IPod. Though why none of these techs had the common sense to know to tell you this, I don't know. That Indian tech was an idiot. He took a simple question, "how do you replace the battery", and instead of saying "it doesn't have batteries, it's rechargable", made some rediculous complicated answer.

I can't believe this, but if anything, this thread is more fun, at least for me, than the one about my computer.

I understood your proprietary battery point, I was just doing what I do and exaggerating for effect and reaction.

As for ease of use, I explained that I expected it to be complicated at first based on the one review I'd read, and I also expected that it would be simple once I became acclimated, which it was. As soon as I realized this was nothing more than another hard drive, it all became clear - all I had to do then was figure out which buttons did what. The mistake I made was in trying to use Creative's software when Explorer worked faster and better.

Next, I-Tunes store? All the music I need, I already have, and the library has CDs if I should desire something else. I can't believe what people are willing to waste money on nowadays.

I have an 800 number for creative which I am about to try, so there may be another report. Otherwise, I am returning the player this afternoon, but I won't be buying another, at least not until there's one that meets my criteria, and doesn't try to make me conform to theirs.

Back on the battery, it would be a non-issue - all they have to do is give me a ten year warranty.

Lexann, there IS a battery in all of them. It may not look like a conventional battery, but it's there. Otherwise, what do you think it is that accepts the charge?

And unless there's been a breakthrough i don't know about, these things don't last all that long - five years would be a miracle, and two would be a best expectation.

But I agree about the techs, and there's an interesting side note. While waiting on hold, one Dell promotion actually offered American technicians for an additional fee. I was stunned.

However, I have found Dell to be very "workable" in that if one person doesn't meet my expectations, another will, and the key to all consumer issues is that it may be a whole line of people who say no, but it only takes one yes.Which is why I was doubly irritated that I didn't think to ask for that guy's supervisor - I missed an opportunity for compensation for the lack of respect.

Oh, and I don't say this to brag, I say this because no one seems to be educating consumers today, and we'd all be better off if people started demanding proper treatment and quality products rather than the fast talk and shuffling, and being forced to accept inferior designs.

OK, I just got off the phone with Creative, and I talked to a seemingly knowledgeable American. I asked him how long I should expect the battery to last, and here's the exact quote:

"Two to three years is the estimate."

I don't know about you, but that's not acceptable to me. I don't want a device that only lives as long as a rat.

Not to mention that the "estimate" is always at least twice the reality with these sorts of things.

These kinds of devices are going to be so different in 2-3 years that I don't think you'll want to use the one you buy today.

I still think you should consider the iPod, and yes, I know I always try to put my disclaimer in here about working at Apple, but I truly believe the whole experience - not having to use explorer and manually copy files to the device, having easy access to new content, free content, etc - is better with the iPod.

We (Apple) just announced that we're going all DRM-free with the music, so there's no longer anything locking you in. Totally open.

My last offer... I'll order you one with my employee discount. It's not huge, but 25% might make it easier, since most of those other devices are cheaper (for a reason, of course).
Yes, I realize there is a battery in it. I thought you were looking for replaceable batteries, like double A's or something. There is not that type of battery, it is a built in rechargeable.
I personally like my old MP3 player. I bought it at Sears about 3 years ago. It was less than $100, and holds like 500 songs...way more than I'll ever need. It's really easy to use, but not sleek or high tech like the new ones are. Still, it fits on my arm, and is perfect when I walk or work out. And it was cheap. Plus it uses very little energy. It takes only one double A battery, and that thing lasts forever! I've only changed the battery twice since I've had it!

I'd first like to apologize for taking so long to respond.

Then I'd like to say that I hope Apple appreciates you because you impress me as enthusiastic and sincere in endorsing their products.

And I want to again thank you for your generous offer. However, I couldn't accept it even if I was interested in buying another player, since it would preclude me from swearing at you when we have our future falling out.

And about the players, I think we're talking past each other. I'll try to talk from my wife's POV, since I have far less regard for them, but even she sees a player as a nice but unnecessary convenience. Thus the cost must be what we'd regard as minimal, and here's what that means - if a player's battery is not replaceable, something in the neighborhood of thirty dollars would be the limit, and paying for music is unthinkable except that I'd be willing to pay up to a quarter for some obscure song I just had to have - not to exceed ten.

So, see what I mean by "talking past each other?"

When I returned the player yesterday, I stopped at the library, and while they have a limited selection of CDs, there were some I didn't have, so at some point, we'll get check them out and rip 'em, and coupled with the 6000 or so songs we already have, that should be adequate.

Interestingly, I came across this today in the article announcing Apple's dropping DRM and cutting prices:

Apple said the thin new 17-inch aluminum-cased Macbook Pro, which joins an existing 15-inch model, will start shipping at the end of January. Perhaps the biggest twist is the laptop's battery, which is designed to last longer on each charge — up to seven or eight hours — and work after more charges than older batteries. But like Apple's iPod and the super-slim Macbook Air, the battery will be sealed inside and the owners won't be able to remove and replace it themselves. Instead, they'll have to spend $179 to have an Apple store expert swap in a new one.

Are they kidding? Who would buy that?

I hope you're not feeling like that expression says, no good deed goes unpunished, because I can't express enough appreciation for your input and your offer, but we have two very different approaches to things, and I think that if you try to understand me, or worse, help me, you will only experience frustration.

But if I can ever be of assistance, don't hesitate to ask..

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Lexann,

Coincidentally, you described the exact sort of player my wife was interested in - until I got involved and told her she needed something that would hold all the music we could ever want to put on it - the Zen had 32 gigs.

Now I'll be watching out for one like yours if they still make that sort of thing, because a double A battery is much thicker than the Zen, so they may have "sleeked" your type out of existence.

Incidentally, I read about your Coke problem, and if that was a cry for help. let me know if you think I can be of help!

a double A battery is much thicker than the Zen, so they may have "sleeked" your type out of existence.

Yes, mine is not flat at all, kind of oblong and just slightly bigger than the battery. But it's still really small. But I'll bet you're right. I haven't looked for one in a while, but I bet that since the introduction of the IPod, they've discontinued that style.

Incidentally, I read about your Coke problem, and if that was a cry for help. let me know if you think I can be of help!

Thanks! But it was really more of a confession of my sins to lead me to repentance, than a cry for help.

LOL... I knew that, and it's funny what we get addicted to. Mine was way worse - M&Ms, but I overcame it, and now I eat chocolate chips in moderation - I measure one tablespoon, no more than twice a day. Being scared of what happens if you don't stop helped me a lot.

Did someone mention "Planned Obsolescence"

No, but thanks. You've demonstrated how far we've disintegrated. Planned obsolescence used to be a rumor or at least rarely documented, and only in the aftermath of something that was failing. Now, like politicians, they're so bold as to put it right in your face and dare you to do something about it. And no one seems to care.

In one way, it's good that they've done this so you know what you're dealing with upfront, but it also represents a failure of capitalism where companies are supposed to striving for better products at cheaper prices due to competition. I mean, granted they're better products, but the cost is that they're guaranteed not to work in a few years?

can you imagine owing a computer where you know the battery will fail, and there's nothing you can do to protect yourself short of having a backup computer? It's like one day you turn it on and - nothing. Then you have to pack it up and send it out, wait weeks, and pay a couple hundred bucks for the "privilege?"

And where are the competitors who make it central to their advertising that YOU CAN CHANGE THE DAMN BATTERY YOURSELF?

You can't vote them out of office so it's F*** You politics- look how long Henry Waxman has been in Congress!

OK, so now we're taking a political turn? They say nothing changes in Washington, but that's not true. What changes is that they learned long ago that they can keep expanding their control as long as they do it incrementally, and now they've learned that they can make the increments bigger by elevating the fear level and promising something for nothing.

And now Business has joined them - Wall Street contributed heavily to Obama. Why? Because they don't fear liberals or conservatives, all they have to do in play along. They're not afraid of having to pay the piper, They do it gladly, and as they say in Ireland, play the harp or play the flute depending where you are.

OK, I don't really know if they say that in Ireland, but I wanted to keep a musical theme.

Exactly! Divide and conquer.

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