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Well you are very optimistic about McCain. He is a RINO and if this is the best the Republican party can come up with as a nominee then we are doomed!

For the first time in my life I will not vote for a Republican for president. But then again with the choice between McCain and Obama or Clinton it appears that nobody will be voting for a Republican since there is not one running.
LOL Eric, Ron Paul is the only Republican running.
Ron Paul seems more like a nut job to me than anything else.

This really has been a pitiful couple of years for the Republican party...

In an insane asylum such as America has become, normal people seem like nut jobs.

I voted for Bush in 2004 based upon his previous record, instead of what he was promising. That was a failure.

I won't be voting for McCain in 2008 based upon his previous record, despite what he is promising. I'm trying to avoid making the same mistake twice.

I certainly understand how you feel, since I never voted for Bush, but I think things are different now. Not voting for Bush would possibly have brought us Gore or Kerry. both of whom seemed decidedly less of a threat to this country than Hillary or Obo (Gore hadn't yet appeared to be insane).

But if one of the current Dem candidates get in, it won't matter what either Bush or McCain did. A Dem presidency right now could be ruinously transformative.

Ted, perhaps you're the man that I need to be talking to. You see, I think that McCain is the type of guy that I just can't bring myself to vote for. Mostly, this is because of his (prior-to-running-for-the-presidency) stance on illegal immigration and economics. Moderately troubling is his definition for the term 'compromise,' wherein he is willing to sacrifice more of his desired outcome than he requires in return - but this I could ignore if he had properly convinced me of his immigration/economic stances.

If Clinton gets into office, I agree with you that it would be disastrous. Mostly because of the possibility of her reelection. If Obama makes it to the White House (highly unlikely), I think he will quickly become a Carter-esque one-termer that would, hopefully, have the same effect that Carter had upon his vacating of the Presidency.

This means that I'm expecting my vote in November to either be thrown to a third-party/independent candidate, or in with Obama (if he can actually make it that far) in the hopes that he'll fizzle out as quickly as I expect him to. As such, I will definitely need some convincing to vote for McCain. He's sold me on his military stance - always has. I just don't know that he'd be much better than Hillary.

Hey man, you don't need my help, everything you need to consider is in your last paragraph. If you don't mind, I'd like to parse it:

"This means that I'm expecting my vote in November..."

May I suggest you substitute "gambling?"

"..with Obama... in the hopes that he'll fizzle out as quickly as I expect him to."

Hope is passive and often relies on actions beyond your control. Can you keep your fingers crossed for four years?

"McCain... He's sold me on his military stance"

Do you really need more than that? What if we're attacked again during those four years? Could you live with yourself if there's a Dem in the White House... or Black House as the case may be?

"I just don't know that he'd be much better than Hillary."

But what if you found out the hard way that you were wrong? Remember how "decisive" Mr. Bill was? Would the first woman (although that's debatable) want a conflict she initiated on her legacy or would she want to show she's as strong as any man? I snort, you side.

I can't defend McCain, nor do I think some of his prior stances are behind him. I only think that with Dems you get double trouble.and that there is immeasurably more at stake now than there was when Bush ran and terror was little more than a glint in the Islamic's eye and none of them were on the verge of a nuclear weapon. Not to mention that Hillary would likely undo all the progress we've made in Iraq and Barry would even permit genocide to get us out.

Maybe ask yourself what you stand to lose with a McCain Presidency that you wouldn't lose with a Dem.. or with four more years of Bush?

OK, I did just think of something I'd like to offer on my own: what are our four paramount issues? I submit they are defense, spending, judges, and immigration. I further submit that McCain is unmatched on the first two, likely to be acceptable on the third, and no worse than Bush on the fourth. Case closed?

You're a tough bargainer, Ted.

I was going to ask you to tell me about McCain's thoughts on spending that make him 'unmatched,' but then did the research myself. Looks like you may be right, sir.

But, to what were you referring when you said 'judges?' Were you referring to the Supreme Court, or were you identifying 'activist judges' as a whole?
McCain has actually pledged to appoint strict construct judges

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